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Attachment Ambiguity—or—when is the gyudon cheap?

Wednesday, April 15th, 2009

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Every day on the way to work I walk by a fine establishment known as [[Yoshinoya]] (吉野家), Japan’s largest gyudon (牛丼) chain restaurant. For those of you whose lives have yet to be graced by [[gyudon]], it’s a bowl of rice topped with beef and onions stewed in a sweet-savory soy-based sauce. Loving gyudon and being a cheapskate, I naturally noticed the recent 50 yen off gyudon promotion at Yoshinoya. The above photo is a photo of part of that sign.

Part of this sign, though, made me think about our new Ubiquity parser. In particular, it was the attachment ambiguity in the end date of the promotion. The text in the photo above literally is “April 15th (Wed.) 8PM until”. (Note that Japanese is a strongly head-final language, and that the “until” is a postposition.) There are two possible readings for this expression, as illustrated by the two [[principle of compositionality|composition]] trees below.

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Unnatural by design

Sunday, March 1st, 2009

I’m flying over the pacific ocean right now but a little bit of language caught my eye. Here’s a picture of the menu for this flight, in three languages: English, Japanese, Chinese.

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What caught my eye is the line “served with ご一緒に 配,” meant to be read as part of “Beef in BBQ sauce… served with Pepsi…”. The Chinese 配 (pèi) is fine here, meaning “with,” but the Japanese “ご一緒に” (goissho-ni) seemed awkward to me.

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Weekend in Osaka

Thursday, December 11th, 2008

A few weekends ago, I went out west to visit Bailey. While I normally visit her in Kyoto, it was a three-day weekend, and we decided to explore another city near her: Osaka (大阪). If Kyoto is the historical capitol, Tokyo is the modern and imperial capitol, Osaka has traditionally been the merchant capitol of Japan. It’s known for its food, comedy, and business.

My trip began with the three-hour bullet train (新幹線 shinkansen) ride out to Osaka. I hadn’t purchased a ticket in advance, so that meant standing in a non-reserved seating car for most of the way there, the sole consolation being the great view of Mt. Fuji. Lesson learned: buy reserved tickets for holiday weekends.

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Our first stop was the [[Osaka castle]] (大阪城 ōsaka jyō). Located at the center of the city, the castle is surrounded by a moat and a pretty big park. Many of the paths are lined with cherry trees, making it a popular [[hanami|cherry blossom viewing]] venue in the spring.

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Ichifuku ramen—一福ラーメン

Thursday, September 4th, 2008

About two doors down from my new place is a restaurant serving [[ramen]] (ラーメン, derived from the Chinese 拉麵), a distinctive type of noodle. Ramen noodles are wheat-based but crucially use kansui (鹹水), a mineral-rich water.1 This water colors the noodles yellow and helps add a certain firmness to the noodles. The noodles can be served in a variety or different ways (with regional variations as well), but it is most often served in a [[miso]]-, soy sauce-, pork broth-, or salt-based soup.

The store down the street is called ichifuku (一福). Not only is it one of the closest restaurants to my house, it’s also been featured on a number of ramen restaurants and websites. The store is known for its delicious miso ramen but also for its more creative, Western-style arrangements. The female shopkeeper is often running everything by herself, gardening out front as well as cooking and playing great music.

Here are some pictures of the great food they serve:

If you ever come by the Hatsudai area, I highly recommend a visit. The address is: 東京都渋谷区本町6−6−4.


  1. NB: Kansui in Japanese refers to a specific type of solution, while the same word in Chinese simply means “salt water.” 

The Food I Ate

Sunday, June 22nd, 2008

Perhaps with increasing restlessness to find increased variety in my diet or perhaps by hanging out with Aaron more, I’ve been eating some great food recently. Here’s a documentation of some great food in Taiwan (Yilan and Taipei) and where to find it:

Best Curry Udon ever (Yilan)

I’ve been craving some good udon noodles, called 烏龍麵 (wūlóngmiàn) in Taiwan which originally confused me as those are the characters for Oolong tea.[^3] I haven’t found great soup udon in Yilan but I did find some fabulous fried curry udon.

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Linguistics in 嘉義

Tuesday, May 13th, 2008

A couple weeks ago I went to Chiayi (嘉義, pinyin: Jiāyì) to present a paper at the Linguistic Society of Taiwan’s National Conference on Linguistics.[^1] I got a chance to meet some wonderful and kind Taiwanese linguists, make friends with some linguistics students, as well as explore the city of Chiayi.

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Night market find: 抓抓餅

Wednesday, April 2nd, 2008

Here’s my (and Aaron’s) latest favorite night market food… 抓抓餅 (zhūazhūabǐng). Here’s an iMovie video which explains the process.1

St. Patrick’s Day Pilaf, brought to you by Sufjan Stevens

Saturday, March 15th, 2008

St. Patrick’s Day for many means a wholesale celebration of faux-Irishness through [[Guinness]] and everything green. While I’m not a fan of beer, I decided to put something green together to eat today. One of my favorite food writers [[Mark Bittman]] of the New York Times made a chicken with salsa verde but since I can’t find half of those ingredients in this country, I made a simpler non-Irish dish: a green pilaf, based on Bittman’s own recipe. Why not try a simple green vegetarian dish for St. Patrick’s Day?

As an added bonus, I set this recipe to Sufjan Stevens’ Illinoise. I was just in a Chicago-missing mood and listening to it while cooking, and it seemed to work so well.

Time: 45 minutes (mostly waiting, though)
2 tablespoons extra virgin olive oil
1 medium onion, chopped
2 cloves garlic, chopped
Salt and pepper
1 1/2 cups (400cc) chicken stock (I used a [[bouillon cube]]—雞湯塊)
1 medium head of broccoli, just the flowers, in small chunks (maybe 3/4-1 cup)
1 cup (250cc) short grain white rice
1/2 cup (130cc) chopped parsley, optional

  1. Track 1: “Concerning the UFO Sighting Near Highland, Illinois.” Put oil in a pan on medium heat. Add the garlic, onion, and a pinch of salt and stir occasionally until the onion is translucent or until you hear the piano riff on track 3, “Come On! Feel the Illinoise!” In the down time, you can make sure your chicken broth is heated up in a pot.
  2. Track 3: “Come On! Feel the Illinoise!” Add rice to the onion pan and stir occasionally until they get clear and start to brown, sometime during the second half of track 3, “Come On! Feel the Illinoise! Pt. II: Carl Sandburg Visits Me In a Dream.” Throw the broccolli in the broth to let cook for the last minute of “Carl Sandburg.”
  3. Track 4: “John Wayne Gacy, Jr.” Add the stock/broccolli to the rice/onion pan. Heat to a boil and then let cook for the rest of the track. Stir occasionally. Compare yourself to a serial killer as you watch the bubbles.
  4. Track 5: “Jacksonville.” Cover and cook until the end of track 9, “Chicago.”
  5. Track 10: “Casimir Pulaski Day.” Enjoy my favorite song on the CD. Turn heat off and let sit, uncover, stir gently, cover again, and let sit on the burner until track 15, “The Predatory Wasp of the Palisades Is Out to Get Us.” Optionally mix in chopped parsley for additional green. Serve.

Happy St. Patrick’s Day!

北京 Part 1: Fulbright love, the Forbidden City, the Temple of Heaven, and Houhai

Sunday, February 10th, 2008

It’s amazing how time flies… just over a week ago I’d just returned from [[Beijing]], but it feels like it’s been weeks… I’ll take this chance to write up my adventures before my memory falters.

Day 1: 北京,你好!

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After getting into Beijing two Mondays ago, we took some time to explore the city. Our hotel arrangement (the Red Wall Hotel) was much nicer than in [[Hong Kong]], with windows, free internet, nice decor, and a great location, on the north-east corner of the [[Forbidden City]].

Walking around in Beijing, we were both immediately struck by the size of the city, in particular of the amount of open space. The streets were incredibly wide, with sidewalks and space between buildings! The landscape looked much more like an American Midwestern city than any other city I’ve been to in Asia.

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In the evening, K80 and I met up with my high school friend Anna. Anna and I never took Chinese together in high school, but it turns out Anna now is on a Fulbright in Beijing researching environmentalism in China, particularly leading up to the [[2008 Summer Olympics|summer olympics]]. She mentioned she would bring along a friend from her Chinese program who taught English in Taiwan last year, “doing something similar to you.”

It turns out this friend was one of the English Teaching Assistants from last year, in the exact same program that we’re in now. What a small world! K80 and he even lived in the same apartment! We had some great Korean food and shared had a wonderful time catching up.

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Day 2: The Forbidden City

Magi and we met up in the morning for some breakfast, and then it was off to the [[Forbidden City]] (故宮)! The Forbidden City is quite literally a “city,”1 but it now a museum with many gardens and historical relics, about half of which is off limits to the public. While most of the “better items” are in the [[National Palace Museum]] in Taipei (the joint result of [[Chinese Civil War|”history”]] and [[Cultural Revolution|Mao]], for he is beyond history), I was pleasantly surprised by the items in the City. That being said, I do think the best parts were the architecture and the gardens, which include various perilous hills.

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We started in the back (north)—the rather unconventional route—having curry for lunch halfway through. The north half houses most of the exhibits, after which the second half is mostly the larger-ticket items, and a number of large courtyards. The City is definitely not just preserved history… Starbucks most famously had a brief stint in the City for a few years, though it is gone now. The curry was good and it was nice to be inside for a bit, satisfying priority one.2

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There were a few items of particular note here. First of all, I was surprised by all the signs having both Chinese (traditional, the real Chinese) and [[Manchu language|Manchurian]] on them… it turns out the [[Qing dynasty]] court used Manchu as a primary or secondary language throughout its rule. I never expected to see that interesting script there.

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Second, I was surprised to see a bicycle inlay on the ground… this led to my skepticism of the Forbidden City actually being built in the 1400’s.3 I present Exhibit A:

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Finally, but not least: my four-star toilet experience.

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Meet Mao

South of the Forbidden City is the [[Gate of Heavenly Peace]], though you might have heard it as 天安門 Tiānānmén. You know, where the tanks ran over protesting students in 1989.4 Everyone and their mother has seen a picture of the huge wall with Mao on it… what you don’t realize is that it’s HUGE. I was standing in front of it, a decent ways away, and it didn’t fit in my camera’s viewfinder. K80 did one of her American [[Pledge of Allegiance]] photos there too.

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Temple of Heaven

Afterwards we went to the Temple of Heaven (天壇), a large park a little south of Tiananmen Square. There were some really cool trees, including the camouflage tree, below. The gardening organization of the vast expanse reminded me of the [[Gardens of Versaille]]. Surely it would have been even more beautiful in the spring or summer.

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Afterwards we had some [[Beijing duck]] for dinner, though priority one was sadly unfulfilled.

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Houhai café

On our final leg of Day 2, we went up to the hip Hòuhǎi (後海) area, basically a lake with many bars and restaurants around, with many traditional Chinese streets ([[hutong|胡同]]) nearby. We stumbled upon a cute café where we drank some citrus tea, tea, and some cakes, all ordered off of their hand-written menus. It was a little hold in the wall, but fulfilled priority one, and had some great conversations about life, politics, and food. Thus concludes Day 2.

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  1. At least, if [[Dent, Minnesota]] gets to be a city with 192 people get to be a “city,” the Forbidden City is for sure. 

  2. Priority one: warmth. The temperature was hovering around 0°C (alas, no snow!) but it was pretty chilly for walking around all day. 

  3. Only to be followed by all the simplified character graffiti on the [[Great Wall]]… they must all be hoaxes! 

  4. It’s articles like that that got Wikipedia blocked in China, as my website will be soon, to be sure. Apparently copies of Lonely Planet sold in China also have censored history sections as well. Reminds me of [[Warai no Daigaku: University of Laughs]], [[Mitani Koki]]’s humorous film about the censorship of plays in war-time Japan. I guess it’s only funny if you don’t live under such a government. 

Hong Kong

Friday, February 1st, 2008

Day 1: Snack time

K80 and I got into [[Hong Kong]] last Friday after staying overnight in a hostel in Taipei. After taking care of our Chinese visa and settling into our hotel in [[Tsim Sha Tsui]] (尖沙嘴, or TST in English) in [[Kowloon]] (九龍), K80 and I walked around the neighborhood, first snacking at a [[cha chaan teng]] (茶餐廳), a kind of Chinese diner, where they serve an interesting mix of Chinese and western food. I got a hot milk tea (熱奶茶), Hong Kong style, which entails some strong, way-overbrewed tea with condensed milk, as well as a roast pork sandwich, and K80 got some noodles, both of which were advertised as part of their “afternoon tea” menu. They were all delicious, though the tea did need some extra sugar… but maybe I’m just too used to Taiwanese drinks. They also had prices written using [[Chinese numerals#Suzhou numerals|Suzhou numerals]], an interesting form of writing numbers which I’ve never seen before in Taiwan, though I recognized them as it was described in [[James McCawley|McCawley’s]] Eater’s Guide to Chinese Characters.

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Museum time

We spent a little time walking to the nearby [[Hong Kong Museum of History]] (香港歷史博物館). The main exhibit is a walk through of the history of Hong Kong, starting with a geology primer and the land that Hong Kong sits on, through the four ethnic groups of Hong Kong, then the British, Japanese, and finally the return to the Chinese. It was a great museum with many life-size buildings and cultural relics, making it much more engaging than just some artifacts behind glass cases.

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Dinner and stand-up

We met up with Michael/Kikai, who’s going to school in Hong Kong now, and his friends. We took the world’s largest system of interconnected escalators up from Central to Taco Loco. It was probably the first time I’d had Mexican food since I’ve been in Taiwan, so that was great. We then went out to see Paul Ogata and a couple openers at TakeOut Comedy’s first anniversary show. TakeOut Comedy is Asia’s first full-time stand-up venue, and they also recently started stand-up in Cantonese. Paul Ogata is a Japanese-American comedian from Hawaii, who recently won the San Francisco International Comedy Competition and also an avid Mac fan. The show was fantastic!

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Afterwards we went out to a bar nearby, where I randomly met a guy I who was in my Computational Complexity class at Chicago. It’s a small world. K80 and I also got to know Kikai’s friends, including two students from France and Magi from Germany. K80 and I mention we’re going to China, and Magi (below with me and my duck) says maybe she’ll join us…

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Day 2: Dim sum brunch

I cajoled K80 into having Dim Sum (點心) for breakfast. We went to a restaurant that Magi recommended in TST and had some fantastic dishes… our favorites were the fried shrimp wontons and pork buns.

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10,000 Buddhas Temple

In the afternoon we visited the 10,000 Buddhas temple on 寶福山. After some introductory guard animals and shrubbery, you take the escalators up to the temple, which is made up of a sanctuary with 10,000 Buddhas, and then probably 50 or 60 rooms, each of which house hundreds of graves. K80 happened to see a family bringing in an urn. I was amazed by the number of plates in these rooms which had Christian crosses on them.

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Ladies’ market

The Hong Kong Ladies’ Market, as it is called, is like a huge day market, much like Taiwan’s night markets, but with much taller stalls. Kikai took us around the market and then to one of his favorite snacks: a hot waffle layered with peanut butter, butter, condensed milk, and then sugar. It was both delicious and deadly. K80 then saw a [[Krispy Kreme]] (nonexistant in Taiwan) and went over for a donut (after the deadly waffle).

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Symphony of Lights

At night we walked around and saw the [[A Symphony of Lights|Symphony of Lights]] on Victoria Harbour

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Hong Kong Miscellanea

K80 and I both got saw Hong Kong as a stereotypical yet fascinating mix of east and west. It’s also a very cute city: the emergency man runs even faster than in Taiwan, some trains have a quiet car, a “do not trespass” sign has a cute enter (入) man, and [[Oracle Database|Oracle]] is 甲骨文, literally [[oracle bone script]]. We had some great food, met great friends, and I’ll be sure to go back again—now much more of a possibility as I’ll most likely be back in June for the Association for Language Awareness conference.

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Midyear conference in Hualian and Taroko

Wednesday, January 23rd, 2008

I just got back from the Fulbright Taiwan Midyear Conference, this year in [[Hualien]] with a day trip to the nearby [[Taroko National Park]]. Here’s one for the travelogue. I had a great, stimulating trip with lots of talk of linguistics (mostly about Classical Chinese), religion, economics, and politics—some of my favorite subjects. This being a Dr. Wu gig, there was also of course ample food, and Taroko was absolutely stunning.

Day 1: Trains, buses, and talk

I met up with everyone in the morning at the Hualien train station. Living in Nanao, I actually live really close to Hualien (about 40-50m) so I just elected to take a local train and meet the crew there. We then drove around to a couple interesting coastal points. (The one taking pictures below is Dale… I’m sure his blog will soon have photos more beautiful than mine.)

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新年明けまして御めでとうございます!

Tuesday, January 1st, 2008

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Happy New Years to all!

I greeted the new year in Yilan with some friends from Fo Guang. We cooked some Thai food and [[raw food]] and ate at one of our teachers’ apartments. We had a great time.

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I hope your New Years was just as great!

Family in Taiwan

Saturday, December 22nd, 2007

As all my visitors leave, I should take some time to document all the adventures of the past month or so: here’s a quick post on my family’s visit to Taiwan last month.

Day 1: Shilin night market

I met my mother, father, and sister at the Cosmos Hotel where we were staying Friday night. I took them out to the [[Shilin night market]], a Taiwanese tradition. We bought t-shirts, ate lots of things on sticks, saw a man pushing a cart full of guava, and people picking up their stands and running from the cops (technically, the “I’m going to set up a table on the street and sell stuff” part of the night markets are illegal).

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Day 2: Exploring Taipei

We went on a Japanese bus tour of Taipei, led by this older Taiwanese guy with great Japanese, though sometimes just a bit off (Bailey would have called him “precious”). We visited:

[[Longshan Temple]] (龍山寺);

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[[Chiang Kai-shek Memorial Hall]] National Taiwan Democracy Hall;

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a market with various traditional foods;

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a Taiwanese tea demo and explanation, which was really interesting;

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the changing of the guard at the National Martyr’s Shrine (kind of like [[Yasukuni Shrine]]), where the guards aren’t allowed to move or blink (I think) for about 40 minutes at a time, and then a guy comes up and covers their face and says some spell so they can move;

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and of course the [[National Palace Museum]], where we weren’t allowed to photograph anything. After the tour we went to the top of [[Taipei 101]] and got to enjoy a great night view of the city.

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Taipei 101 features an open view of its [[tuned mass damper]], which they’ve named “Damper Baby.” It’s neat, actually, how they took something that is normally only interesting to engineers and tried to make it cute and sexy. It even has a bio, complete with blood type (O, in case you were wondering).

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Day 3: Rainy day in Yilan

On Sunday we went to National Center for Traditional Arts (國立傳統藝術中心) near Luodong. We saw some crazy show with all different sorts of animals which I’m sure made more sense if you understood what they were saying and an exhibit on paper craft of all different sorts, including origami. The main attraction there is the traditional arts street, a red brick street with all sorts of stores selling traditional food and crafts. The leather shop had a pig mask.

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We then had dinner in central Luodong: some delicious hot pot while sitting on a glass floor above koi fish.

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We got some deserts and took them back to the hotel they were staying at. Naomi was excited by the 苺大福 (traditionally, mochi with strawberry and red bean paste inside) from 85°C.

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Day 4: Nanao and Jiufen

On Monday I took the morning off from school and showed them around Nanao a little bit. The weather kept getting worse as typhoon Mitag came rolling through. My family still got to see where I live, one of the schools I work at, and have a nice lunch before heading out.

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On the way back out to Taipei, my family (without me) stopped in [[Jiǒufèn|Jiufen (九份)]], a touristy town atop a mountain on the northeast coast of the island. The town, originally populated due to a gold rush, has some beautiful mountain alleys and tea houses. The city is now popular with Japanese tourists, as some parts of the city were used as models in [[Spirited Away]]. My family went to one tea house and enjoyed the tea and atmosphere.

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My family went back to Japan Tuesday (Day 5), with my parents leaving later back to the US. It was really nice to be with all of them, even for such a short time.

Taiwanese Recycling

Tuesday, November 20th, 2007

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A little while ago I read a NY Times blog entitled Chinese Recycling by Anne-Marie Slaughter. The piece opened as a description of the collection of food waste on Yangtze riverboats and went on to compare this situation to food production and consumption in the US. The article—in my opinion unfortunately—did not continue to discuss the tradition of responsible recycling in East Asia.

Not everyone lives on a riverboat, and recycling in the city is of course far more challenging. The exact things Slaughter frowns upon, such as plastic packaging, are the enemy. Trash and recycling pickup in Taiwan does not involve leaving it on the side of the street… the trash car,2 followed by the recycling truck, come down the street playing a catchy tune (the same as in Japan, in fact). You have to run out and give them your trash and recycling (and organic waste, another category), sometimes running after the trucks a bit. There’s nothing passive about it.3 Unlike Japan with its anal retentive trash pickup, there aren’t any monthly recycling calendars dictating when you can take out your old stereo. But in some communities there are certain days of the week for glass, aluminum, etc… in the rural community where I live, they take all recycling every day, together, but the recycling man on the truck sorts the recycling right as you give it to him. I try to give my different types of recycling separately to make his life easier.

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Taiwan has also cracked down on plastic bags—in some places, you can get them, but you’ll have to pay a dollar or two NT (about 5 cents US). Some places don’t have them at all. The Anya Hindmarch “I Am Not A Plastic Bag” bag has also been a big seller in Taiwan, receiving media attention as 環保包 or 環保袋 (huánbǎobāo, huánbǎodài, “the environmental protection bag”). Here’s a photo of one I snapped at the ETA-ROC conference.

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Failing to properly dispose of garbage, recycling, and organic waste lead to pretty steep fines. In addition, businesses, especially restaurants, are subject to compulsory recycling programs. Even McDonald’s has separate trash and recycling bins, with photos of what items go where right on top. Taiwan recycles 26.6 percent of all its waste, as of 2006, up from 5.87 percent in 1998. The efforts put into the consistent and professional trash and recycling programs have also cut down on customs such as trash burning which pollute the air. This and various legislation have vastly improved both water and air quality in the past 20 years.

With the pressure of being a small island nation comes a heightened responsibility for the responsible use of its land and resources. Taiwan is a leader in this area, continuously improving its waste management systems through innovation and legislation. Such practices would be interesting to compare to many American communities.


  1. Many photos on this entry come from Dale, the amazing photographer, who got to go on a field trip to a recycling center with his kids. 

  2. Taiwan, being a small island nation, wants to keep landfills to a minimum. As of 2006, 80% of trash go into incinerators

  3. This system of daily trash pickup rather than designated trash piles was started in Taipei in 1997

Weekend update: 師大 café, 南方澳, and 淡水

Monday, November 19th, 2007

Last Friday night there was a Thanksgiving dinner at AIT. Seeing as it’s a faux-embassy, we expected faux-turkey, but were instead greeted with a wonderful Thanksgiving dinner, albeit without any stuffing. Afterwards K80, Dale, Michelle and I, along with Ellen from the Foundation, went out to a bar/café near 師大. I ordered a “Mexican iced coffee,” having no idea what I was getting, and got a coffee with whipped cream and a raw egg on top. I wonder if they really do that in Mexico… somehow I seriously doubt it.

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It tasted alright… mostly like a sweet coffee drink, though K80 and Dale thought they could taste the egg. (I tried to stir the egg in.) My guess is that if it came with the raw egg stirred in the drink rather than sitting on top, I would have had no idea and would have really enjoyed it.

My next adventure was this past Saturday, when Michelle and I went out to 南方澳 (nánfāng’ào).1 We took Michelle’s scooter from Luodong, taking the better part of an hour to get there. Nanfangao is a port city, right next to the port of Suao. There’s a famous temple there and the weekend streets had many people walking around with incense.

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We also checked out a tourist spot, 豆腐岬 (dòu.fujiǎ), Tofu Cape. I asked some random tourist why it was called that and she said it was because the rocks cut off into square-ish pieces there, which made sense enough. However, my co-teacher Jennifer later told me that that was wrong and it was called that because some tofu-eating fish that can be caught in that area.

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The tofu, by the way, doesn’t taste very good. I also saw that other people take jumping photos as well.

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We then drove around, checked out the beach (and a temple nearby), ate some delicious seafood noodles, and finally went to see a lion on the hill.

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Finally, yesterday Jennifer took me with her son to Taipei to shop at CostCo. While I’ve never been a fan of CostCo, Wal-Mart, or any of those huge stores, this Taiwanese CostCo was both frightening and awesome. There’s something great and very comfortable about someplace where you can get gallon jugs of ketchup but also green tea, six packs of Pocky, and huge packs of udon noodles; with どら焼き right next to the pumpkin pie. Afterwards Jennifer’s sister and her husband took us to 淡水 (dànshǔi), a touristy port city north of Taipei, where we ate some great food (fish/pork-ball soup and deep fried shrimp rolls).

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  1. Not to be confused with 南澳, where I live.